Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/22/2000 01:20 PM House RES

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SJR 18 - EXXON VALDEZ DAMAGE CLAIMS                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1936                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUDSON  announced that the  next order of  business would                                                              
be CS  for SENATE JOINT  RESOLUTION NO. 18(RLS),  requesting Exxon                                                              
Corporation to  pay claimants for court-ordered  damages resulting                                                              
from the Exxon Valdez oil spill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HUDSON called  an at-ease  at 2:50 p.m.  and called  the                                                              
meeting back to order at 2:55 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[The committee took up HCS CSSJR 18(O&G), version 1-LS0731\N.]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GEORGIANNA  LINCOLN, Alaska State Legislature,  sponsor of                                                              
SJR  18,   explained  the   legislation.   [Due  to  a   recording                                                              
malfunction, some of this testimony  was lost.]  She told members:                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     As you know,  over 40,000 claimants await  payment while                                                                   
     Exxon  [Mobile   Corporation]  has  continued   to  file                                                                   
     motions and other  legal actions to delay  payment.  The                                                                   
     latest appeal of the federal  district court's denial of                                                                   
     Exxon's second  motion for a new trial was  heard in the                                                                   
     Ninth  Circuit Court  of Appeals  in Seattle  on May  3,                                                                   
     1999.   This past week  the Ninth Circuit  ruled against                                                                   
     Exxon Mobile [Corporation] on  one of the three parts of                                                                   
     their appeal.   We're awaiting  a decision on  the other                                                                   
     two parts of that appeal.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     The  resolution   [SJR]  18  urges  -  and   I  have  to                                                                   
     underscore   that   word  -   it  urges   Exxon   Mobile                                                                   
     Corporation to immediately pay  the compensatory damages                                                                   
     awarded  in the  court-ordered  judgment  of 50  million                                                                   
     dollars.   And as you will  read in the letter  that was                                                                   
     sent on March  16, ... it was $20 million  and now, with                                                                   
     the interest, it's $50 million.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     While following  the spill Exxon  payed a limited  group                                                                   
     of  fisherman and  processors  for some  of the  damages                                                                   
     prior  to  the judgment  in  the pending  federal  suit,                                                                   
     those payments  were less than the compensatory  damages                                                                   
     ...  later awarded  in  the federal  court.   The  Exxon                                                                   
     appeal at  the Ninth Circuit is  of both, as you  know -                                                                   
     the compensatory and punitive  damages - with the 40,000                                                                   
     litigants  who  are  entitled  to  payments  from  Exxon                                                                   
     Mobile    [Corporation]   including    the    commercial                                                                   
     fishermen,   the  fish   processors,  cannery   workers,                                                                   
     residents   of   communities   who   depended   on   the                                                                   
     subsistence  resource  from  the area,  and  many  local                                                                   
     governments  from Prince William  Sound, the Cook  Inlet                                                                   
     and  Kodiak  Island,  the  tourism  and  other  business                                                                   
     operations, as well as the many  real property owners in                                                                   
     the core spill area.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     ...  To date,  a very  large  group of  others who  were                                                                   
     impacted have  received absolutely no compensation  from                                                                   
     this devastating spill that  occurred and, Mr. Chairman,                                                                   
     I worked  on that  oil spill for  months and am  acutely                                                                   
     familiar with the damages that  did occur, and every day                                                                   
     going out there  to mop up the oil on the  water and oil                                                                   
     on  the shoreline,  and steaming those  rocks, and  then                                                                   
     going  back 11  years later  - or  near 11  years -  and                                                                   
     seeing  still ...  what I call  the dead  shoreline.   I                                                                   
     mean, it is just so sterile. ...                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I recognize  the rights of individuals  and corporations                                                                   
     to use  our judicial  system.  I  know that that's  what                                                                   
     the judicial system is there  for; however, there is the                                                                   
     issue  of  corporate  responsibility  and  doing  what's                                                                   
     right for Alaska  and for our citizens.   Those who have                                                                   
     waited  over six  years for  payment of  any money  from                                                                   
     Exxon do not think that Exxon  is doing its part to make                                                                   
     Alaska whole again, like they  promised after the spill.                                                                   
     While the  level of damages  was paid to a  very limited                                                                   
     class of persons  and businesses following  the spill, a                                                                   
     very large majority of those  affected by the spill have                                                                   
     not received any payment from Exxon.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     A  letter, which  I alluded  to, is in  your packet  and                                                                   
     explains   how  the   judge   in  the   original   trial                                                                   
     interpreted the maritime law  to limit those entitled to                                                                   
     compensatory damages to a rather  limited class of those                                                                   
     who are impacted  by this bill.  Again, I  will say that                                                                   
     this resolution  urges - urges - Exxon to  pay the level                                                                   
     of  compensatory claims  ordered  by the  court, to  pay                                                                   
     that  immediately,  and  if the  remaining  portions  of                                                                   
     Exxon's appeals  are also denied  by the Ninth  Circuit,                                                                   
     then  to  pay those  punitive  damages  without  further                                                                   
     delay ... .                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2418                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PATIENCE FAULKNER testified via teleconference from Cordova.  She                                                               
indicated that she is an Alaska Native and lifetime Cordova                                                                     
resident.  She stated:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ... I  feel the most  important thing that  has happened                                                                   
     to the  Cordova community and  to the Native  Village of                                                                   
     Eyak has  been that it's  very expensive to  continue to                                                                   
     live here.   Now,  granted, this  is our birthplace  and                                                                   
     we've been  here many,  many years.   But when we're  an                                                                   
     economy that  depends on money  to survive,  it's pretty                                                                   
     hard to  just go out there and  sit in a tree  and live.                                                                   
     In  the fishing  industry, which  we depend  on in  this                                                                   
     area,  one-third  of  the fishing  vessels  did  not  go                                                                   
     salmon fishing.   These are the seiners,  of course, ...                                                                   
     the larger  vessels; they employ  three to five  people.                                                                   
     They also  each have families.   For the last,  I'd say,                                                                   
     five or  six years,  ... only  one-third of the  vessels                                                                   
     have gone fishing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     We  also  have herring  that  was  closed this  year  in                                                                   
     October.   It's been  closed for so  many years  I don't                                                                   
     even  know what  a herring  looks like.   Also  impacted                                                                   
     were  the  salmon  fisheries.    The  salmon  fisheries,                                                                   
     especially  the setnetters  over on  Western side,  they                                                                   
     haven't fished.   They don't  even get their  gear ready                                                                   
     to go,  because they're  told that  their areas are  not                                                                   
     producing any salmon at all.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ... The  fishermen are impacted;  that hits  their crews                                                                   
     and their families very hard.   Then the cannery workers                                                                   
     ... have  no fish to  process.  Local businesses  suffer                                                                   
     because  there  are  no  funds  to  keep  the  community                                                                   
     moving,  and then  the general  community  suffers.   We                                                                   
     have  people that  end up  leaving town  or taking  what                                                                   
     limited resources out of this  community, which makes it                                                                   
     more expensive for those who stay here.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     On the  subsistence side,  for me  as an Alaska  Native,                                                                   
     our  resources  are  dwindling,  and  then  whatever  we                                                                   
     manage  to get,  they're  tainted.   We're  not sure  if                                                                   
     they're  good to eat.   They have  a lot strange  things                                                                   
     that happen  to them.   Maybe the  herring that  do come                                                                   
     back  will  have  an  extra head  or  they  won't  spawn                                                                   
     correctly,   and  the  places   that  they  spawn,   for                                                                   
     instance,  like herring  roe on kelp,  it doesn't  taste                                                                   
     very good - too much something in the water.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Exxon  promised  us in  1989  that  they would  make  us                                                                   
     whole.    Well,  we  are  ... going  to  be  in  such  a                                                                   
     financial hole  and such a  spiritual hole that  we will                                                                   
     never be  able to dig out.   We are dying off.   I think                                                                   
     Senator  Lincoln  expressed it  in  her papers.    We're                                                                   
     dying off,  and many of our  people are dying,  and they                                                                   
     are not going  with a peace of mind.  That  has been the                                                                   
     most  important thing,  is that  twelve  seasons we  are                                                                   
     into, in about two days.  We  have no relief.  We'd like                                                                   
     to have  you tell Exxon, "Pay  off."  Please, make  us a                                                                   
     little bit better.  Thank you.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2594                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ROSS  MULLINS  testified  via teleconference  from  Cordova.    He                                                              
indicated that he has lived in Cordova  for about 39 years and has                                                              
participated  in the commercial  fishery all of  those years.   He                                                              
stated:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I would  like to applaud  Senator Lincoln's  sponsorship                                                                   
     of this  bill because, in my  opinion, I think  it could                                                                   
     go a long way to help instill  goodwill among those that                                                                   
     have been  injured by  the oil  spill and our  political                                                                   
     representatives.   I think back  to the early  '70s when                                                                   
     Cordova  District  Fisherman  United brought  a  lawsuit                                                                   
     against  issuing the  permit for a  terminus in  Valdez,                                                                   
     our concern being that a massive  spill might impact our                                                                   
     environment  and impinge our  ability to earn  a living.                                                                   
     Well, those fears were realized in 1989.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     And, of course,  had the pipeline gone through  Canada -                                                                   
     as  we were  urging,  as were  a  few of  the  political                                                                   
     pundits of  the day - we  might not be in  the condition                                                                   
     we're in  today.   But we were  promised, of course,  by                                                                   
     federal  and  state  representatives  that we  would  be                                                                   
     taken care  of:  this would  be the safest  terminus and                                                                   
     most scrutinized  operation in the history  of the world                                                                   
     ....  I remember Ted Stevens  saying when we were in his                                                                   
     office in  Washington, [D.C.], "Not  one drop of  oil is                                                                   
     going  to touch  the waters  of  Prince William  Sound."                                                                   
     Well, gentlemen,  you know where  we are today,  and you                                                                   
     know what's happened.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     To change  my approach here  a little bit from  the last                                                                   
     testimony  I gave  before the  [House Special  Committee                                                                   
     on] Oil  & Gas ...,  I'd like to  read a few  items from                                                                   
     the  transcript   of  the   oral  arguments  that   were                                                                   
     presented  in  front  of  the  Ninth  Circuit  Court  of                                                                   
     Appeals in Seattle,  Washington, on May 3,  1999 - might                                                                   
     give you a  sense of how Exxon is attempting  to utilize                                                                   
     the  state to escape  its responsibility  in paying  the                                                                   
     punitive  and   compensatory  damages  that   they  have                                                                   
     incurred at the result of the jury.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I  will  quote,  this is  Exxon's  attorney,  Dom  (ph),                                                                   
     speaking:    "Long  before   this  verdict  society  had                                                                   
     already spoken, through its  authorized representatives,                                                                   
     the  Attorney  General  of the  United  States  and  the                                                                   
     Attorney General  of Alaska, and had defined  the proper                                                                   
     punishment necessary  to vindicate society's  interest."                                                                   
     They recommended,  and the  district court opposed,  the                                                                   
     largest fines of an environmental matter in history.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Judge Kleinfeld,  who is a member of the  Ninth Circuit,                                                                   
     hearing  this case,  spoke up,  and  he said:   "Yes,  I                                                                   
     understand the  language of that.  It  said compensatory                                                                   
     and remedial.  That quote, 'compensatory  and remedial,'                                                                   
     could you show  me the page and the excerpt  to show ...                                                                   
     that it also intended to apply to punitive damages?"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Exxon's  Dom (ph):   "The  consent decree  by its  terms                                                                   
     does not speak of punitive damages,  but it required the                                                                   
     State   of  Alaska   to  dismiss   with  prejudice   its                                                                   
     complaints,  and  that  complaint  had  sought  all  the                                                                   
     punitive  damages  to  which  the State  of  Alaska  was                                                                   
     entitled, parens  patriae, ... as public trustee  and on                                                                   
     every other basis."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Kleinfeld:    "So,  the  consent   decree  doesn't  take                                                                   
     punitive damages, but the complaint did?"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Dom (ph): "Correct."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Exxon  goes on  at length to  try to  make the  argument                                                                   
     that by  the state releasing  it from punitive  damages,                                                                   
     by the payment of the $900 million,  that that, in fact,                                                                   
     relieved Exxon of any burden  to pay punitive damages to                                                                   
     any other  plaintiffs, because the state acted  in their                                                                   
     behalf.  Now, gentlemen, I ask  you if that is, in fact,                                                                   
     your intent?   I  think it's obvious  the ploy Exxon  is                                                                   
     using here.   They're trying  to get out ...  from under                                                                   
     the responsibility  to, as Don Cornett (ph)  - who spoke                                                                   
     here  in 1989,  three days  after  the spill  said to  a                                                                   
     packed auditorium  of concerned  Cordova citizens  - ...                                                                   
     said, "Exxon  will make you  whole.  If your  nets don't                                                                   
     fill up with fish, we'll take care of it."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Well,  we  know how  they've  taken  care  of it.    ...                                                                   
     Patience  was being charitable  when she said  one-third                                                                   
     of the fleet is not fishing  in the purse seine fishery.                                                                   
     It is one-half  the fleet.  There's 272  permits issued,                                                                   
     and prior to the spill in 1989,  all 270 - plus or minus                                                                   
     two or three  - would be fishing every season.   You can                                                                   
     look at the  historical record.  Today, if  you have 120                                                                   
     to 135  out there, that's about  it, and those  guys are                                                                   
     barely able to make a living.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I can't  say that every factor  is directly a  result of                                                                   
     Exxon's actions, but there have  been scientific studies                                                                   
     that have come  forward, just within the  last couple of                                                                   
     years,  that show there's  long-term, low-level  damages                                                                   
     ongoing  in Prince  William  Sound, and  that  (indisc.)                                                                   
     parts per billion,  the oil in the sediments,  of having                                                                   
     a direct  impact on pink  salmon and herring  resources.                                                                   
     These  are studies  done by  the  National [Oceanic  and                                                                   
     Atmospheric]  Administration,   not  really  subject  to                                                                   
     being construed as biased.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     So  I  think   if  the  state  could  get   behind  this                                                                   
     resolution  that   [Senator  Lincoln]  and   others  are                                                                   
     sponsoring, it would go a long  way to create a goodwill                                                                   
     among the  [population].  I  mean, we are  talking about                                                                   
     40,000  plaintiffs that  are  still waiting  to be  made                                                                   
     whole from Exxon's  promise and, you know,  many of them                                                                   
     are dying off.  There's over  500 estates that are party                                                                   
     to the litigation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     All that  this resolution urges  is that you  get behind                                                                   
     it,  and if  the  court of  appeals  comes  down with  a                                                                   
     ruling  that Exxon's  argument is not  supported in  the                                                                   
     law, then urge  them to pay up rather than  seek further                                                                   
     appeals.  I  mean, Exxon is a master of delay.   I heard                                                                   
     several  of  their  attorneys  referred  to  as  "Doctor                                                                   
     Delay."   I mean, it's  the name  of the game  for those                                                                   
     people.   Every year they  delay is another  few billion                                                                   
     they  can sock  away.   I  mean, I  just  feel this  has                                                                   
     gotten -- 11 years now since  the event, six years since                                                                   
     the litigation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     It's time  to bring an end to  it.  And if they  lose at                                                                   
     the court of  appeals level - and they did  lose the one                                                                   
     issue on  jury improprieties  that caused an  additional                                                                   
     year  delay -  if the  question of  punitive damages  is                                                                   
     resolved  in   the  plaintiff's  benefit,  I   urge  you                                                                   
     gentlemen  to have the  State of  Alaska at least  stand                                                                   
     behind  its  citizens  and  ask  for  Exxon  to  do  the                                                                   
     responsible  thing and  pay what they  are obligated  to                                                                   
     pay by law.  Thank you very much.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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Number 2925                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  BERNS  testified  via  teleconference   from  Kodiak.    He                                                              
indicated  that he  supports  the resolution.    He stressed  that                                                              
40,000 Alaskan residents will benefit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2871                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
LARRY MALLOY testified via teleconference  from Kodiak.  He stated                                                              
that he is representing the Aquaculture  Association in Kodiak and                                                              
supports the resolution.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  SCHACTLER testified  via teleconference  from  Kodiak.   He                                                              
stated that  he supports  the resolution.   He indicated  that not                                                              
only  are there  40,000 residents  who are  actual claimants,  but                                                              
that  could be  multiplied  by four  or five  because  of all  the                                                              
communities that also are claimants.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DAVID OESTING,  Attorney  at Law, Managing  Partner, Davis  Wright                                                              
Tremaine, testified  via teleconference.  He indicated  that he is                                                              
the court-appointed  lead counsel  for all  40,000 claimants.   He                                                              
said that  as an advocate  and Alaskan  citizen he strongly  urges                                                              
the passage  of the  resolution.  He  thanked Senator  Lincoln for                                                              
her stellar efforts because he believes  that the message needs to                                                              
be sent to Exxon.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HUDSON closed public testimony on SJR 18.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2737                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HARRIS made a motion  to move HCS CSSJR 18(O&G) out                                                              
of  committee  with individual  recommendations  and  zero  fiscal                                                              
note.  There being no objection,  HCS CSSJR 18(O&G) moved from the                                                              
House Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                             

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